让我们换换口胃来一个轻松的话题。

Then, let's change a light topic?

现在我们谈论一些不太轻松的话题。

Now we are talking about some less easy topic.

在我们讨论这点之前，先来看杰克和麦克的对话给我们的启示，了解不轻松的话题是如何发生的。

But before we get to that, let's look at what Jack and Michael's conversation can teach us about how difficult conversations work.