So suppose I was a dualist.

假设我是二元论者。

On the dualist view, what was death?

二元论认为，什么是死亡？

That's the dualist view.

这就是二元学说论。

Dualist could say that.

二元论者确实可以这么说。

If your answer is no, you are a closet dualist.

如果你的回答是不，那你私下里就是个二元论者。

So this first view we can call "The dualist view."

第一个观点我们把它称作"二元论"

So this first view we can call "the dualist view."

这个第一个观点我们把他叫做“二元学说”。

Well again, that doesn't prove the dualist is wrong.

那并不能证明二元论是错的

There's the dualist view — people are bodies and souls.

那就是二元学说论——人是身体和灵魂。

A born non-dualist, he had no faith in a Personal God.

他是一个天生的非人格主义者，不相信人格化的神。

I don't actually think that the dualist view is correct.

我并不很认为二元学说是正确的。

Let me say something more then about the dualist position.

就二元论观点，我再多说几句。

A far more uh, worrisome for the dualist, do animals have minds?

关于二元论还有更多的担忧，动物们有思维么？

The dualist can explain that by appealing to ghosts and the like.

二元论者可以诉诸鬼魂之类的来解释。

So that's I think the position that we ought to ascribe to the dualist.

所以我认为，这应归入二元论者的立场。

The alternative view that we're going to consider is not dualist, but monist.

另外一个我们将要顾及的观点不是二元学说，是一元论学说。

Dualist, of course, because there's two basic components — the body and the soul.

二元论，当然。因为这里有两个基本组成物质——身体和灵魂。

The philosophical dualist questions the extent and accuracy of that correspondence;

二元的哲学问题的程度和准确性的函件；

The dualist position is that the mind is a soul and the soul is an immaterial object.

二元论认为心灵就是灵魂，而灵魂是一种非物质实体。

But I don't think what we should say is, "the better explanation lies with the dualist."

但我们也不能说，二元论的解释更好。

Plato, as a dualist, portrays Socrates as being a dualist and that's just taken for granted.

作为一个二元论者，柏拉图理所当然地，把苏格拉底塑造成一个二元论者。

According to the dualist, the mind is this immaterial substance and we could call it by different names.

按照二元学说论，心灵是这种非物质的物体，我们能叫他不同的名字。

Well, the dualist says, "that shows us that we have to believe that there's something non-physical about us."

二元论者认为，这表明我们必须相信，人有非物质性的一面。

I don't feel I've got any sort of account going here as to how consciousness works, even if I become a dualist.

我觉得就算我是一个二元论者，我也还是不懂这番对于意识的解释。

So although I'm trying to sketch the dualist position, as I explained on Tuesday, I don't myself believe in souls.

所以尽管我试着描述二元学说论，如我星期二所阐述的，我自己不相信灵魂。

Though it does seem, from this dualist perspective, as though souls are located, I'm sort of viewing the world from here.

虽然看起来，就二元论观点而言，灵魂是有位置的，我可以从这里看到世界。

If we had a dualist explanation with some details really worked out, maybe we'd have to say, "Look, this is the better explanation."

如果我们拥有一个，既可行又详尽的二元论解释，也许我们就会说，看哪，这才是更好的解释。

Now, I think the best response on the part of the dualist to this reply is to distinguish two aspects of feelings, two aspects of emotions.

现在，我认为二元论者对这一答复的，最好回应，就是区分感受的两方面，情绪的两个方面。

When I use the word "Soul," I'm going to have in mind this dualist view according to which the soul is something immaterial, nonphysical.

当我用"灵魂"这个词时,我会采用二元论思路,因为他们认为,灵魂是非物质,非物理的

When I use the word "soul," I'm going to have in mind this dualist view according to which the soul is something immaterial, nonphysical.

当我用“灵魂”这个词时，我将会在脑中泛起二元学说论的灵魂，一种非物质，无形的东西。